she was a very different character than alum what some -- ellen watson. it was like a switch flipped. there was a very quick reversal in his emotional state that was stabilized. that is an example of a brief interlude three we can think about these things as happening to all of us in our lives in unpredictable ways. some of us may have more genetic risks for certain outcomes including depression and others for it is important to think about the characteristics that make certain leaders better suited for certain challenges and not as suited for the challenges. i would like to go back to talk about the upside. it is not just the downside that somebody can get cancer or get depressed, but it may be that there are characteristics that make people more effective leaders in one way or another. that they are more charismatic, that they have more resilience, that they are likely to live longer or less likely to be an alcoholic or more likely to have more intelligence. it can have an impact on their ability and their skill as individual leaders. if that is true, t